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  1. hill6

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    I have no idea, but I'm curious why you think him utilizing legal deductions is hypocritical? He's saying the wealthy should pay more in taxes and a raise in tax rates will effect him. Saying he should file his taxes stupidly doesn't make sense.

    Now if he's utilizing offshore bank accounts, shell companies, etc., then you have a point. But saying he's deducting for charity he donated to is hypocritical doesn't hold a ton of water.
     
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    He's a single issue candidate. That the millionaire class screws the working class at every turn and they need to start paying their fair share. To his credit, he's been consistent about it for decades.

    Can you imagine a vegan leading protests and then grabbing a hamburger?
    Can you imagine the champion of the GND flying in private jets and ubers (oh wait)?

    The fact of that matter is, these candidates are all too happy to take more of other people's money but not willing to lead by example. It is the very definition of hypocrisy.

    The guy has built a successful political career not by introducing legislation, but ONLY by railing against the millionaire class by saying they don't pay their fair share.

    Even his biggest supporters have to be disappointed to see he doesn't even really believe in it...he just wants more of other people's money.
     
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    He's far from a single issue candidate. I've not only attended rallies but worked them.

    His wife does his taxes. They're going to do what anyone else does with their taxes.

    You have to know that he is running on a platform to raise the amount he owes by a large margin. The conflict would be is if he ran on a platform to raise it for anyone everyone but him.
     
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    You are creating a fictional scandal to call him a hypocrite.

    Nick can address the BS "single issue" stuff, but as for taxes, he's saying millionaires aren't paying their fair share - that they should pay more. He's not saying they should voluntarily give more money to the government, he's saying the taxes should be higher than they are. I really can't tell if you're trolling on this, or you actually see it as being a hypocrite.
     
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    People are looking for a smoking gun and they're going to be upset. They dont know there are things like Senate financial disclosure forms that are public record and filed yearly.

    He's already reported earning $1.06m in a year after making $885k from book sales. His salary is $174k.

    None of this new information. He's barely a millionaire and he's working to extract more wealth from himself , among others, to fund his plethora of planks: M4A, free college, improved infrastructure, etc etc.
     
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    Still dont have him figured out. I think he honestly believes what he writes. Otherwise I'd say great job on trolling but it's clear he believes this.
     
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    Other issues beyond that 'single' one I've already addressed: end of the industrial for-profit prison complex, no more cash bail, fight climate change (video exists since the 80s of him beating that drum), equal civil rights for all regardless of race, gender, orientation.. Dude, the list goes on and on. That's why rich people like myself support him.
     
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    I guess it's OK for him to be successful, but if you were more successful then him, then you're evil.

    “Not being a billionaire, not having investments in Saudi Arabia, wherever he has investments, all over the world, mine will be a little bit more boring,” Mr. Sanders said.

    Reminded that he is a millionaire, he did not shirk from the description.

    “I wrote a best-selling book,” he declared. “If you write a best-selling book, you can be a millionaire, too.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/09/us/politics/bernie-sanders-millionaire-net-worth-taxes.html
     
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    I'm happy for Bernie's success. Capitalism works. This is the land of opportunity...which is ironic given Bernie is a socialist!
     
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    After reading his most recent posts, I'm thinking he's a troll. He's getting close to the "ignore" button which I thus far have only reserved for nipro.
     
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    You ignore people you disagree with? Why?
     
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    I don't ignore people I disagree with, as is evidenced by nearly every thread on this Board I engage in. I am opposed to wasting time with people who have no interest in honestly discussing a subject. You are either deliberately obtuse, or trolling. It's been clear a number of times: from implying Bernie is a hypocrite for being a millionaire and using tax deductions, to saying AOC is an idiot for accurately stating CC science (which you briefly flirted with discussing then hid). So yeah, I don't see a ton of value in engaging with people who aren't holding a position honestly.
     
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    My positions are perfectly honest, well established and the bedrock of American opportunity.

    I think it’s hilarious that Bernie makes these claims and then works within the current tax laws. Just like the millionaires he rails against. Why? Because it’s all just political BS. He doesn’t really believe it or maybe he’d have introduce more than, what, one piece of legislation in his lifetime? Or maybe he’d use his megaphone to say I believe so strongly in paying my fair share that I voluntarily taxed myself at 70%.

    But he won’t, so yeah, he can pound sand telling everyone else they owe but he doesn’t. I’m not arguing he’s doing anything wrong. In fact, I think Bernie should keep 70% of what he earned. He earned it!!

    That’s an honest opinion founded on principle.
     
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    Except you are grossly misrepresenting what he's said in the past. The taxes he is promoting would also apply to him, so arguing he's a hypocrite is completely unfounded.
     
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    60% of corporations paid $0 in taxes last year and we have millions and millions of people making slave wages living in poverty, many hard working families that are homeless.

    And cut the crap with these no tax paying corps doing good like creating jobs. They take their tax cuts and buy back their stock and increase shareholder payouts and everyone sits on that cash - the real job creators are the working class that have money to actually spend into the economy.

    He's railing on the ulta-rich that are funding lobbies to keep the status quo the same. That's his beef.

    You look at homeless people and think lazy, drug addled, worthless people dragging on society and if they were to just play their part they'd be a winner in society, too.

    You think we live in a meritocracy.

    You are clueless and wrong.
     
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    It's not that he disagrees with them so he blocks them. It's because you have bad faith people that bring no substance and just get mad and do nothing but resort to name calling.

    People like Nipro and 1lvhawk rarely if ever, would debate a tax policy, pinpoint the finer points of a capitalist vs democratic socialist vs socialist vs anarcho capitalist system with and without authoritarian rule backing all of them, much less understand any of them.

    It's almost like they're someone else's alternate account to just stir the pot to bait people into replying to their nonsense so they don't have time to research and back more of their own positions and counteract others.
     
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    Beto finally releases his number of individual donors in Q1. And of course the smoke and mirrors are removed, he barely topped Mayor Pete who is waxing while Beto is waning in just about everywhere.

    Bernie had more than the top 3 behind him combined.

    [​IMG]
     
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    California Democratic Primary (incl. Biden):

    Sanders: 22%
    Biden: 21%
    Harris: 19%
    O’Rourke: 10%
    Buttigieg: 9%
    Warren: 8%
    Booker: 3%
    Castro: 2%

    (n=2003, California likely 2020 Democratic primary voters, April 6-9)

    15%+ gets delegates. So if this were held today and without error, Harris would get some delegates out of her home state.

    Without Biden it can be safely assumed Bernie would widen his lead much more considering the majority of Biden voters have Bernie as 2nd choice believe it or not.

    Other Super Tuesday states have Bernie leading in polling we know of (MA) and can assume (VT) and was second in an AL poll with Biden leading there and no one else getting delegates.

    Again its early and anything can happen and a day is an eternity in election cycles but my guess is that after Super Tuesday, the fringe candidates that havn't dropped out will and it'll be 3-4 people left tops - the others will keep their funds for another race elsewhere.
     
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    Bernie leading the way in WI like last cycle. He would've won WI, MI, and PA no doubt in the general.



    This Klobuchar's backyard so she's doing better here than elsewhere, and wow look at Booker doing well here, what for?

    Also, watch the polling for WI and MI (and IL) for Mayor Pete, these are all rust belt states just like IN. He absolutely needs to improve here over the coming months if we wants any remote shot
     
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    Should we tell jt that progressiveness was borne out of the uber wealthy?

    People were filthy rich and a lot of them literally were trying to one up each other by doing more for the less fortunate, the middle class and the poor than the others, it was practically a sport and gross bragging rights were held and maintained, fought for, won and lost over.

    Bernie is more or less running on FDR's 4th term, yet he has at least a million dollars and is still one of the least wealthy in all of congress. FDR was extremely wealthy.
     
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    Just ask the DNC that question. They certainly think so.
     
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    Bernie's campaign reporting they just got their 1,000,000th donation, reaching $20MM total with the average contribution being about $20. Of these, nearly 600k are unique donors.

    It hasn't even been two months since he announced.
     
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    Bernie leads new national poll that includes Biden. The Booty Judge is in at third.

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    lol, Gillibrand is at 0% behind Mike Gravel who has stated he has zero intention of winning
     
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    Do you really think the DNC will let Bernie be their candidate?

    Because I think there is zero chance he is their nominee.
     
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    They're already doing what they can, in league with the media too.

    But this time it's different. Remember back in 2015 Bernie came out of left field. He had consultants, and a comic book shop owner as his campaign manager.

    he thought he was going to raise a total of $10m tops. All the sudden he started out speaking in standing room only venues and overflowing outdoor parks. He had dumped whatever he could in IA and NH and never had time to build up a ground game anywhere else, unlike now. He was the immediate front runner and outraised everyone in every aspect, despite what Beto O'Rourke's campaign said.

    It's going to be a tough battle only because the MSM and the DNC aren't going down without a fight.
     
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    Its early but so far the Dems flooding the field strategy appears to be working against them. The idea was to assign people everywhere to sap delegates away from a certain candidate and force super delegates at the convention but instead the establishment vote is fragmented and Bernie's base is holding strong.

    Plenty of time for things to change though
     
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    Without Biden: Sanders 37, Pete 13, Beto 11.

    The plurality of the Biden supporters would back Biden (31%) if he doesn't run/drops out. Pete would get 17%, Beto would get 13%.

    It's clear Beto had his moment and while I'd like him gone, he's sapping the votes from mostly non-Bernie supporters, if primaries were held today he'd help keep others below 15% so Bernie could get more delegates.

    Pete is maintaining his popularity. He seems to be in a weird spot where some young kids/Bernie supporters like him but they don't know any of the negative things about him yet and he's taking support from the establishment types.
     
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    Bernie still won't be the DNC nominee.

    Plus, I love that he's being called out by the progressives for shifting his attacks from "millionaires and billionaires" to "multi-millionaires and billionaires" now that he's a millionaire....it's shocking I tell ya...shocking...
     
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    He is?
     
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    It's entirely possible he won't. But he's the front runner. Bill Clinton was far behind the pack and he came back well after IA and got it.

    Progressives aren't calling out Bernie, it's centrist liberals that hate Bernie and can't attack on him on anything of substance. They had him on his age but Biden is the same age. So now it's taxes and the fact that he wrote 2 best-selling books.

    And this will be the last time I explain to you that he's been calling out millionaires that fight to keep people down whereas he has been fighting to remove the inequality.

    It's no different than calling him evil because he's a human being and human beings have done evil things and still do so today.
     
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    No. jt is confused about the definition of progressive vs liberal, he doesn't know much less understand the distinction. Really anything not in Republican Daddy World he's got it all lumped together.

    And jt, this is not an assumption. You have a demonstrated ability to use these interchangeably.
     
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    That poll btw, was a +5 net for Bernie. And if you remove Biden from every single national and state poll, Bernie leads everyone by a wide margin.
     
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    @nick77 why do you prefer Sanders to Warren?
     
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    They're not too far off from each other and I'd be happy to vote for her in the general. She's a market capitalist, I'm a card carrying DSA member.

    I'm still annoyed she didn't endorse in 2016. In fact, Bernie first asked her to run then to push the Overton window to the left. But she didn't want to stand up against the Clinton regime so we all knew she wasn't going to endorse which is unfortunate.

    She overlaps with Bernie on a lot of things but she's nowhere near as passionate. I trust her and people can evolve but she used to be a hard core republican.

    I also don't see her winning the nomination and if she does, will she take more bait from Trump again? Can she inspire people to come to the polls?
     
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    Listening to Bernie explain why he didn’t lay his fair share is cringeworthy, to say the least.

    Everyone should pay more but him. Got it. The rich are evil, except him. Got it.

    It’s so tiresome. How do you fall for his schtick when he just so obviously a carnival barker?
     
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    lolwut

    You lack some serious comprehension skills. I already said today at 3:23pm that would be the last time I would explain to you, and I'm not going there again.

    There is nothing more I can type to hammer home that point.

    You have some odd fixation on thinking hes a hypocrite and you've convinced yourself that. Truth to be told, you're scared shitless that he will be next POTUS and you're not entirely sure the DNC can submarine him again this time around.

    Whatever makes you sleep at night [winking]
     
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    And I’ll tell you again that your “point” is wrong. Opposition campaign teams went from 6 to midnight listening to him twist on why he didn’t pay more in taxes and only donated 3% to charity. Good enough for him, but everyone else should pay more, more more!! He’s a loser.

    That said, you’re right that I hope he doesn’t win. It’d be awful for America, the land of opportunity. He’d do his damndest to destroy it.

    But it’s not going to happen. He can’t outfox the DNC. They’re playing chess and he’s in the line for government checkers.
     
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    If you still think hes a hypocrite you need to step back and seriously re-evaluate your understanding. I'm not his press agent so if you want to let on and die on this hill, be my guest. I've put it on record, in addition to others, that you are comically wrong here but I'm sure your echo chamber will give you several mighty and hearty 'Harumf!'s in agreement regardless.
     
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    Imagine me saying Trump dresses up in women's clothing on a daily basis and you keep saying that's hilariously not true but I insist on it, and won't... stop... bringing it up.. and you know that I am being dead serious about it. Eventually you're going to stop replying to it.
     

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