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Discussion in 'The Slant Political Board' started by nick77, Feb 14, 2019.
I don’t watch Fox, but i can read what she publishes. Maybe you should?
Joe is a republican. Lol.
No. I miss the blue dog Democrats that Are now extinct.
I’m speaking about AOC and her “ilk”.
Plenty of Blue Dogs about.. Manchin, Doug Jones, Beto, Sinema.. That's just a few in the Senate, their numbers are dwindling though because the disenfranchised 18-29 demographic are actually voting now.
It is poor form to point to MSNBC and/or CNN and say she lost them now. She never had them to begin with.
As AOC and her platform continues to rise on the political landscape, I have a feeling we’ll see a lot more of these delusional “we got her!” moments.
Look dude you can spout all the economic theory you want but two straight generations are getting the opportunity butt****ed out of them. Her platform will happen. At some point those that would benefit from her ideas will be 70% of the voting age.
This is what the failure of your own platform looks like: something ideologically incompatible and unstoppable coming down the pipe.
I,m really surprised Manchin still in democratic party
Hers and your platform is socialism.
My platform is capitalism.
Freedom has never “butt****ed” anyone. Quite the contrary.
I’m sorry I was talking to a danish waiter vacationing at Crater Lake. Would you care to explain to my sister, nationally renowned in her field, how your freedom-oriented college loan solution isn’t butt****ing her right now?
My platform is socialism. Her platform is more Rhine capitalism. Your platform is crumbling.
Even that doesn’t work for you.
Sorry. It’s hard not to laugh at a socialist.
Is your position that if we were all just less free, we’d magically be better off?
If only you could vote yourself a little bit more of someone else’s money that everything would be ok?
Yeah workers would be better off if they organized. The middle class would be better off with free at the point of sale healthcare and education.
Why don’t you start by paying off your sister’s student loan debt?
Why would I do that when the political change is inevitable?
I can’t relate to the idea of voting for other people to pay my bills.
jt has been arguing for and defending a form of socialism this entire time. He wants a redistribution of wealth from one class to another, he defends why NYC taxpayers should forgo $3B of of incentives for a company that will pay $0 on taxes for $11B in profits last year and argues its fine because the displaced residents of LIC won't be able around to enjoy the proposed and alleged improvements.
Socialism for rich, capitalism for the poor.
So I guess you don’t work for Amazon.
You are exactly who AOC is counting on.
Ouch, how does that one make you feel Nick?
It's the one thing he's gotten right. Credit where credit is due. I'm just one of millions, don't mind me.
I have read some, but can you answer some of the questions I asked? I don't consider her plan feasible as written, but I also don't think it's as dire as you paint it.
Stop with the "freedom" crap. The only freedom you truly support is that of the wealthy to exploit the poor and middle class. In your ideal world, a person's "freedom" is defined entirely by what they can or can't afford to pay for.
And you better get used to AOC and her ilk, because they're only going to gain power due to your worship of wealth and greed. The "free market" feudalists refused to learn from history and overreached, and now we get to deal with the backlash.
You have it backwards.
The ruling class prefers a bigger government that makes it’s people more dependent. They offer “freebies” while convincing them that success it out of reach because someone else was too successful (as if those are connected).
In fact, the more involved the government is in our lives the less opportunity there is for regular people to get ahead (aka the American Dream).
The ruling class gets in power and their wealth explodes. Ever wonder why? It’s because they are orchestrating more of the economy to their benefit. If government were smaller and they could control less of the economy then we’d all be better off. It would be more of a meritocracy, because that’s how markets work.
I get that people like AOC are going to be popular for the same reasons Santa Clause is popular with children.
I'm sorry, but this is inaccurate and just flat-out silly.
The "ruling class" -- which are the super-rich "winners" that you worship -- want government that allows them to run wild while inhibiting their competition. They want a government that either enables them to crush any threats to their wealth/power, or does it for them.
It is incredibly inaccurate to say that the more government gets in our lives the less opportunity is available for regular people. Government funded education at all levels has provided more upward opportunities than anything else. Government-funded roads and infrastructure and entrepreneurship programs enable businesses to prosper, as do international trade deals formed between governments.
The stupidly oversimplistic "less government is always better for freedom" is just tired libertarian claptrap. You're out of college, it's time to grow out of your libertarian phase.
I have no idea what you mean when you refer to "when the ruling class gets in power." They are the ruling class because they are in power. Are you under some strange impression that the billionaires that fund your silly libertarian advocacy groups were ever not in power? You're carrying their water and you don't even seem to realize it.
And get out of here with your alleged support of meritocracy. You want to eliminate estate taxes and want rich families to be able to hoard every-increasing amounts of wealth. That is the opposite of meritocracy.
Truly free markets lead to monopolies and exploitation. That is what you support. That is the end-game of your ideal society.
Floyd- You’re projecting a warped view of a belief system on me. And it’s wildly innactrate.
My sense is you hate a few capitalists and therefore hate all of capitalism.
Sure, you're not a proponent of tired and long debunked libertarian free market hokum. You just sound exactly like one.
Your "sense" is wrong and stupid. Stop accusing everybody that disagrees with your Atlas Shrugging nonsense of hating capitalism.
But you do hate capitalism or you couldn’t be for socialism. Right?
This is the second time you've mentioned 'projecting' in this thread when confronted with facts. This is no different than complaining about 'whataboutism' when confronted with plausible scenarios to make a point.
Both are escape attempts when one doesn't have a decent rebuttal against a valid point.
I love the idea that a democracy demanding fairness from the capitalist class is somehow this complex conspiracy whereby they’re controlling everyone with freebies.
“Give me bread.” No. “Give me bread, or I will just take it.” Here’s some bread, now I’m in control.
We’ve reached the stage of leftward ascension where even the more traditional pre-Trump conservatism exposes its illogical and cultish prescriptions on the nose of its rhetoric.
Ironic how the biggest anarcho-capitalists of them all are the ones wouldn't dare give up their benefits from socialist policies. They would be the last ones to move off the grid to escape it. A lot of hypocrisy in this thread.
What's more unreasonable?
1) Bringing marginal tax rates back to what worked for decades post WWII until the Reagan era (70% - note that for part of it, it reached even 90) that worked extremely well; or;
2) Reap $11B in profit, spend $0 in taxes.
And before someone retorts with 'job creation' I'll add that they don't make much money under horrible working conditions.
The real job creators are the ones paying their employees more money as more people have more money to spread around.
Wrong. And that’s an extremely childish way to view economic and social systems.
You guys are why Howard Schulz is going to run. Someone has to save the Democrats from the Socialists.
Nothing can save them.
And you are the reason the Ds are finding fertile ground going left. The system we have now is geared to keep the rich in power and getting richer. The rest of the world, for the most part, sees that helping those without not only helps those that don't have enough, but also helps those that have more than enough. You talked earlier about immorality, but how do you consider it moral to place a plate of food in front of the fat person instead of the starving one?
Those arguing for the system to remain the same - or to weaken it through further corporate and wealthy tax cuts - are benefiting the wealthy at the expense of the nation.
oof, jt aka Howard Roark is starting to embarrass himself here.
Stupid seems to be who you are. Parrot the fools on your side and look foolish in the process.
This was a huge blow for NY and will be felt going forward. Many companies looking to either relocate, add, or launch new jobs will realize NY is a head ache and not worth the fight. As the idiot AOC pats herself on the back, New Yorkers will face the repercussions.
These people should be pushed to the fringe of society, because their beliefs/views will ruin any thing they touch.
I think you must thing the people that operate these businesses or own these businesses are stupid, what person is going to operate a business is going to stay open with 90 per cent tax rate, there leaving the country or closing it. UNBELIEVEABLE
Do you understand marginal tax rates or even history? Also the difference personal income tax rate vs corporate rates?
Oh look who decided to show up again.
you come in here with your ableism, with no real facts or even anything remotely with any form of substance.
you haven't even read the entire thread and somehow expect me to explain it all over again. Usually around this point is where you get put into a clown suit and you disappear for a while.