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Then would you be okay with every hospital being converted to non-profit? That obviously doesn't solve the question of medicare costs, but if for-profit hospitals aren't in the business to make money, why not convert to non-profit status and cap pay to save more lives?
Stormont employees took a pretty good hit and top management think took a hit also
 

Hawker-2001

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No one goes bankrupt because they accept Medicare. Of course, none of this has anything to do with M4A.
Are you seriously going to continue showing your ignorance like this? Yes, hospitals go bankrupt all the time because they accept Medicare. Look up the plight of critical access hospitals. CAHs are cost-based for Medicare, meaning they are paid 99% of their cost...which GUARANTEES a loss on Medicare. And with CAHs, Medicare is often 70 - 80% of their business. CAHs are closing left and right because they can't make money...and for rural America that's a bigger threat than anything else.
 

Hawker-2001

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Then would you be okay with every hospital being converted to non-profit? That obviously doesn't solve the question of medicare costs, but if for-profit hospitals aren't in the business to make money, why not convert to non-profit status and cap pay to save more lives?
It's irrelevant whether they are for-profit or not. They operate almost identically; only the reporting is different.
 

Ortaneverscored

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Are you seriously going to continue showing your ignorance like this? Yes, hospitals go bankrupt all the time because they accept Medicare. Look up the plight of critical access hospitals. CAHs are cost-based for Medicare, meaning they are paid 99% of their cost...which GUARANTEES a loss on Medicare. And with CAHs, Medicare is often 70 - 80% of their business. CAHs are closing left and right because they can't make money...and for rural America that's a bigger threat than anything else.
So if they stopped taking Medicare they’d stay in business?
 

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So if they stopped taking Medicare they’d stay in business?
If there was enough other business, sure. But there isn't really in the rural areas. For most, their second best payer is Medicaid and they suck too.

CMS made these hospitals possible decades ago, but because they're so dependent on Medicare and Medicaid, the gov't has been abusing them for years.
 

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If there was enough other business, sure. But there isn't really in the rural areas. For most, their second best payer is Medicaid and they suck too.

CMS made these hospitals possible decades ago, but because they're so dependent on Medicare and Medicaid, the gov't has been abusing them for years.
So they aren’t closing because of Medicare, they are closing because they don’t have enough business.
 

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So they aren’t closing because of Medicare, they are closing because they don’t have enough business.
They don't have enough business because Medicare dominates their market and doesn't pay. You can try to make it look different, but it is because of Medicare.

And given that CAHs exist because Medicare pushed for their existence back in the 60's? They exist and are dying because of Medicare.
 

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What a rough day for Hawker-2001. Today he learned you can go from spending trillions on healthcare over a time period, to spending less trillions over the same period while covering every citizen - just like every other industrialized nation in the world.
You are still out to lunch on this issue.
 

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You think employment-based health care is still a great idea in the midst of a pandemic with tens of millions losing their jobs.

You're the one that is out of touch. The majority of Americans disagree with you.
He’s sucking off the Medicare tit at this point and doesn’t care.
 
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AZ j-hawk

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He is getting his...because he's earned it. The freeloaders are people like yourself that want to get theirs without paying in.
Please link to the discussion where folks on this board want healthcare without paying in?
 

Ortaneverscored

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Please link to the discussion where folks on this board want healthcare without paying in?
He doesn’t have any real thoughts on the subject. He’s afraid of losing his meaningless overpaid job so he will throw everything against the wall that he can.
 

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Missouri passed its amendment for Medicaid expansion. Yet another red state to add to the list. This could cover up to 200k more people in the state and up to $1B in savings overall.

It out performed McCaskill vs Hawley mostly everywhere including many of the deepest, reddest parts of the state.

It's what the people want.
 

Ortaneverscored

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Missouri passed its amendment for Medicaid expansion. Yet another red state to add to the list. This could cover up to 200k more people in the state and up to $1B in savings overall.

It out performed McCaskill vs Hawley mostly everywhere including many of the deepest, reddest parts of the state.

It's what the people want.
God Bless the Neoliberals who got it done.
 

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