You read in just about any thread these days, the usual suspects like @Wave N. Wheat and @knaup1 @Nipro @cornstalk constantly gripe about "Open Borders" (that's a lie and a myth), terrible border policies, etc., but the fact is, these are virtually the same under both administrations with a few slight nuances.
1. Both administrations had huge and record-breaking fentanyl and other illicit seizures. If you find yourself feeling warm and fuzzy for a seizure under one administration and upset if it happens under another, you might be a partisan hack.
2. Biden is still building Trump's wall. Trump signed federal legislation in 2018. He's following the law, and the wall is still being constructed with federal funds (@Wave N. Wheat this is some of that 'spending' you gripe about, this wall aint cheap). It would take an act of Congress to stop this. NOTE: Mexico did not pay for this wall and people are still going under/over the newly constructed wall portions like before.
3. The same amount of people are coming over the border. Sure, there's fluctuations. We could all cherry pick bar charts under various administrations to bolster our cases. If you see any statement saying how significantly it's different under any recent administration, it's a lie or misleading. Do your research. Immigration is still way down compared to the 1990s.
4. Kids are still in cages, it's just that Biden isn't separating the kids permanently from their families and making 3-year-olds appear before judges alone. He's still trying to get the separated families reunited, but sadly in many cases, some will never be reunited.
5. Trump invoked Title 42 during COVID, a health measure intended to prevent spreading of diseases, to immediately kick out asylum seekers normally allowed to stay in some capacity awaiting a hearing. This was actually pretty inhumane. Biden could've repealed that on day 1 in office, but he chose to let it stay on. It only went away when the federal emergency was declared over in May of this year, so it expired along with everything else under that decree.
6. Trump implemented MPP - a policy that forced immigrants to stay in Mexico while awaiting their immigration hearings. This was Jan 2019 a year before COVID so Title 42 wasn't an option. This kept about 70,000 stranded in a strange place (many immigrants are from other parts of Mexico and Cental America) that were often preyed upon by criminal gangs and had little resources like food and water for themselves. This was very inhumane. Biden suspended this barbaric policy in January of 2021. DHS moved to suspend it in June of that year but of course someone sued and a MAGA judge ruled it was canceled improperly so it was restarted in December 2021. In June 2022, Trump's own packed SCOTUS actually sided with the Biden Administration.
7. There is no border to "open" or "close". People say all the time: "The border is open! Close the damn thing!". Ok, is there a door somewhere? A button? Biden's still building Trump's wall. Most of the same people at DHS under Trump are still there.
8. With 2024 election coming into play, you're going to see Biden move closer to the center/center-right on border policy in an attempt to remove more ammunition on his border stance, even though it's virtually the same as Trump's but you have indoctrinated, naive voters unable to tell when they've been lied to. But you can expect to see more a right-wing position on the border this coming year.
1. Both administrations had huge and record-breaking fentanyl and other illicit seizures. If you find yourself feeling warm and fuzzy for a seizure under one administration and upset if it happens under another, you might be a partisan hack.
2. Biden is still building Trump's wall. Trump signed federal legislation in 2018. He's following the law, and the wall is still being constructed with federal funds (@Wave N. Wheat this is some of that 'spending' you gripe about, this wall aint cheap). It would take an act of Congress to stop this. NOTE: Mexico did not pay for this wall and people are still going under/over the newly constructed wall portions like before.
3. The same amount of people are coming over the border. Sure, there's fluctuations. We could all cherry pick bar charts under various administrations to bolster our cases. If you see any statement saying how significantly it's different under any recent administration, it's a lie or misleading. Do your research. Immigration is still way down compared to the 1990s.
4. Kids are still in cages, it's just that Biden isn't separating the kids permanently from their families and making 3-year-olds appear before judges alone. He's still trying to get the separated families reunited, but sadly in many cases, some will never be reunited.
5. Trump invoked Title 42 during COVID, a health measure intended to prevent spreading of diseases, to immediately kick out asylum seekers normally allowed to stay in some capacity awaiting a hearing. This was actually pretty inhumane. Biden could've repealed that on day 1 in office, but he chose to let it stay on. It only went away when the federal emergency was declared over in May of this year, so it expired along with everything else under that decree.
6. Trump implemented MPP - a policy that forced immigrants to stay in Mexico while awaiting their immigration hearings. This was Jan 2019 a year before COVID so Title 42 wasn't an option. This kept about 70,000 stranded in a strange place (many immigrants are from other parts of Mexico and Cental America) that were often preyed upon by criminal gangs and had little resources like food and water for themselves. This was very inhumane. Biden suspended this barbaric policy in January of 2021. DHS moved to suspend it in June of that year but of course someone sued and a MAGA judge ruled it was canceled improperly so it was restarted in December 2021. In June 2022, Trump's own packed SCOTUS actually sided with the Biden Administration.
7. There is no border to "open" or "close". People say all the time: "The border is open! Close the damn thing!". Ok, is there a door somewhere? A button? Biden's still building Trump's wall. Most of the same people at DHS under Trump are still there.
8. With 2024 election coming into play, you're going to see Biden move closer to the center/center-right on border policy in an attempt to remove more ammunition on his border stance, even though it's virtually the same as Trump's but you have indoctrinated, naive voters unable to tell when they've been lied to. But you can expect to see more a right-wing position on the border this coming year.
