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  1. floydmaster

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    Drastic changes are needed because many of our problems have gone unaddressed for decades.

    1. College costs grew so rapidly in part because many states stopped funding them. Simple market forces also played a role.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/09/why-is-college-so-expensive-in-america/569884/

    "Are they giving the right education" seems like it's probably code for "People shouldn't get liberal arts degrees."

    2. Drug costs are high because Americans valued Big Pharma's profits over accessibility for all.

    3. We would turn over the task to government because large systemic problems can only be functionally addressed by government. It's silly to blame government for "screwing up a good system in the first place." You're like a Reagan bumper sticker that gained sentience.

    There is not a person alive that can work with Mitch McConnell's Senate or Kevin McCarthy's House as a member of the Democratic Party. Continuing to "both sides" this problem will prevent us from ever finding a solution.

    And it's weird to point to Clinton's second term as when he really worked with Congress, since that was when the Republican Congress was trying to eject him from office for getting a blowjob from an intern. In fact, one can point to his second term as to when partisanship really turned up a notch.
     
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    If nothing else, I hope Bernie does two things with his campaign: pushes the Ds to embrace more liberal policies instead of trying to be plain bread so they can try to lure a few GOP to their side; and stand by their principles. The Ds are so lily livered. The GOP dictates D strategies as much as Ds do - not in terms of the core beliefs, but in terms of how they address the issue. Omar was the perfect example. Rather than issuing a condemnation of hate speech, flip it on the GOP and attack them. The GOP are the bigger brother hitting the little brother (ds) with their own hands saying, "why are you hitting yourself."
     
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    Silver lining, win or lose, at least now the Ds aren't cackling and wild-eyed in hysteria calling Bernie's policies "Ponies" and "Pie-in-the-sky" and tripping over each other to support it.

    I still don't trust anyone but Bernie to try to actually implement them but most are at the least pretending to support many of those planks now.

    It's a big step from 4 year ago
     
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    It's actually pretty bad its only that much especially considering what members of congress make
     
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    Man, we have to cut down on the time candidates are allowed to actually campaign. We are 18 months out and people are already having campaign rallies. In my opinion, this is not good for democracy or a functioning government. Hell, by the end of the month there's a good chance there will be zero Ds in the House or Senate as they'll all have announced their candidacies and be out campaigning. Shit, the board will probably be empty as Nick launches his campaign. Clearly BJ is already out fundraising.
     
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    I may not be on here as much as I may be on the actual campaign for a certain person I'm voting for if things go my way
     
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    Keep your head in the sand regarding the issues. Keep placing blame without offering solutions.
     
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    We're actually less than 11 months from the first contest. There's a reason why they call it a campaign :)
     
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    What solutions have you offered? You keep blaming “both sides” and then lament that Congress won’t work together, even though you continue supporting the people that make bipartisanship impossible.
     
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    Fun fact: Bernie took 80% of the vote from the young people in the 2016 primaries. More than Trump and Hillary combined.

    That group is now the largest voting bloc. Boomers are dying out and being replaced with way more younger folks of voting age.
     
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    New Iowa poll: Bernie up 6 points, Warren up 1, the cop up 2.

    Jim Crow Joe Biden down 5

    Beto 'The Republican' O'Rourke down 6 - people are finding out about his pro-frack, fossil fuel money, anti M4A, AIPAC, Third Way etc
     
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    That last one is a bit dated. I think it was before Avenatti slugged his wife.
     
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    Also, given the virtually equal amount of Trump support in each scenario, that poll might as well be called, "Which Democratic candidate have you heard of?"
     
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    Yeah I see now it's from August. Biden and Kamala are slipping in latest polls. Beto would be on that list but he's slipped in recent polling as people understand what how far right he is. Both Biden and Beto will get a bump at first when they announce though.
     
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    Bernie filled 7 venues to capacity in 8 days. Meanwhile, Kamala Harris' latest rally:

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    That looks like a Rotary club meeting.
     
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    Key is declared candidates. If Biden enters the race, it's going to get interesting. The best part about Biden coming in is that it sounds like Schultz will stay on the sidelines.

    Can't wait to see Trump spend an inordinate amount of time (even for his standards) obsessing on crowd size when Bernie starts putting together massive rallies.
     
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    Trump will focus on crowd size, but as we saw with his swearing in he doesn't care about the facts around the crowd. He'll simply lie about how many he got and how many whomever got. Hell, he already did that with Beto.
     
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    I would love to see Bernie and Trump one on one in a debate. My money would be on Bernie in a rout.
     
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    They agreed to and Trump backed out
     
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    Trump has always been a little two bit chicken sh*t.
     
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    Trump will get roasted by Bernie or Biden. They'll punch back, unlike Clinton, and they'll do so with facts on their side.
     
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    Looks remarkably like the productivity graph:

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    and they said Bernie is too old

    Tweet!
     
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    Trump over Bernie. The problem is Bernie's actual resume is very thin on accomplishments and he loses the socialism/capitalism argument. Biden is a different story. He is more credible than Bernie. IMO, as the candidates line up now, none of them beat Trump. Trump could beat himself ala Hilary. Biden would bring some sanity into the race.
     
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    LOL. What about Trump's resume? He grabbed pussies and when bankrupt multiple times w/o ever holding office.

    Bernie is the most popular elected politician in office. He's held some form of office since 1980. He was wildly popular in the blue firewall states Hillary lost which cost her the election. He only lost the primary because the DNC made it so.

    Bernie would get 370+ electoral votes at a minimum vs Trump.
     
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    MONMOUTH POLL

    Changes in a month:

    Bernie up from 16% to 25%
    Biden down from 29% to 28%
    Harris down from 11% to 10%
    Beto down from 7% to 6%
    Gillibrand down from 1% to <1%

    Makeup of poll: 61% supported Hillary in 2016

    A stacked poll designed to show withering support again Bernie backfires. This is what he's up against. But his popularity can not be denied. He went up by 9 points while everyone went down.
     
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    Before getting too excited, I would suspect everyone but Bernie's changes are within the margin of error.

    It's going to be a very interesting campaign as you have the full spectrum of moderate to liberal candidates. Bernie and Biden have clear name recognition, but people like Harris or someone else may wow on the campaign trail. Hell, while I don't think he has a chance, Butigeeggwhatever was solid and gave good answers.
     
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    Yes, plenty of times for polls, and accurate ones at that, to be released.

    Yang is the one to look out for right now. He's surpassed Booker, Harris, Klobuchar, Gillibrand on the prediction markets and has a formidable meme army heh. Booty-Judge is just a plant from the party himself
     

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